Does the Sentence Really Fit the Crime?

harpazo

Pure Mathematics
Does the sentence really fit the crime? How can a temporal sin or sins lead to eternal punishment? This sounds crazy, right? Sounds abusive, right? It makes God look like a monster, right?

Think about this: The amount of time that a person sins does not matter. If a person dies at 25, 85 or 105 years old is irrelevant. Crimes against the infinite, holy and exalted God are infinitely wicked and so the punishment fits the crime.

Here's the key: Sinners who go to Hell NEVER repent. They continue to rebel. Every description of Hell tells us that it is not a remedial experience. It is not remedial justice. It is retributive justice.

Sinners in Hell remain God haters forever so that the punishment never catches up with the sin. Sinners in Hell never stop sinning. In Hell sinners continue to hate God. In Hell sinners continue to curse God. In Hell they continue to mock and blaspheme God and hate Christ.

Lost souls that end up in Hell after this life is over, don't stop sinning when they get there and then get punished forever. No, it doesn't work that way. This is very important and must be taken seriously because it involves where we will spend eternity.
 

Jason

Well-known member
I think it's corrective and retributive - and limited, however, it's not worth finding out about for yourself!
 

harpazo

Pure Mathematics
I think it's corrective and retributive - and limited, however, it's not worth finding out about for yourself!

Explain why you say it is corrective, retributive and limited.
 

Jason

Well-known member
Explain why you say it is corrective, retributive and limited.
The traditional view is against God's forgiving nature that he demands of us. Why should we forgive unlimited, if God doesn't?

Also, of course, in any dealing with God - even before death, there is the issue of retribution. For instance, those "saved and living the life" are chastised as his children, while those outside are just storing up future wrath to be revealed after death - and that is corrective, retributive, and limited.

Finally, regarding limited, but we don't know the limitation but there is a limit otherwise it wouldn't be corrective. Anyway, the reason it's limited - is again because never-ending punishment is against God's nature - and also the Catholic church had misinterpreted words which they claim mean "eternal" when actually it's "an age of".

Anyway, many misinterpret this view as "soft" but I'm sure whatever limited thing going on is something very harsh and worth avoiding - hence the need to proclaim the gospel urgently.
 

harpazo

Pure Mathematics
The traditional view is against God's forgiving nature that he demands of us. Why should we forgive unlimited, if God doesn't?

God forgives if we ask for forgiveness.

Also, of course, in any dealing with God - even before death, there is the issue of retribution. For instance, those "saved and living the life" are chastised as his children, while those outside are just storing up future wrath to be revealed after death - and that is corrective, retributive, and limited.

I think you're off track here.

Finally, regarding limited, but we don't know the limitation but there is a limit otherwise it wouldn't be corrective. Anyway, the reason it's limited - is again because never-ending punishment is against God's nature - and also the Catholic church had misinterpreted words which they claim mean "eternal" when actually it's "an age of".

Never-ending punishment is not against the very nature of God. In any case, we put ourselves in eternity lost by rejecting the sacrifice at Calvary.

Anyway, many misinterpret this view as "soft" but I'm sure whatever limited thing going on is something very harsh and worth avoiding - hence the need to proclaim the gospel urgently.

The main problem with humans is to put God in the human box. God is not human. God is spirit. God does not think as we do and we cannot think like God.
 

Jason

Well-known member
The main problem with humans is to put God in the human box. God is not human. God is spirit. God does not think as we do and we cannot think like God.
God's fundamental nature is loving and forgiving, hands down. However, this also involves penance.
 

harpazo

Pure Mathematics
God's fundamental nature is loving and forgiving, hands down. However, this also involves penance.

It is a mistake to think that God does not chastise. Read Revelation chapter 20 and get back to me. Read the entire chapter TWICE.
 

Jason

Well-known member
It is a mistake to think that God does not chastise. Read Revelation chapter 20 and get back to me. Read the entire chapter TWICE.
It's just more references to eternal. Looking at the original language says something else and more in-line with God's real nature.
 

harpazo

Pure Mathematics
It's just more references to eternal. Looking at the original language says something else and more in-line with God's real nature.

No. The book of Revelation is authentic like of the whole Bible.
 

Jason

Well-known member
No. The book of Revelation is authentic like of the whole Bible.
Well, Catholics interpret verses to say the Pope is real. I think Catholics misinterpreted more of the Bible than we imagine - including hell-fire doctrines.
 

harpazo

Pure Mathematics
Well, Catholics interpret verses to say the Pope is real. I think Catholics misinterpreted more of the Bible than we imagine - including hell-fire doctrines.

The Catholic church is religious at best. They are not Christian. We talked about this before.
 

Jason

Well-known member
The Catholic church is religious at best. They are not Christian. We talked about this before.
My view isn't popular. However, I think people haven't searched their hearts and scripture enough to come to the same conclusion. I mean, Jesus said "He who seeks, shall find.".
 

harpazo

Pure Mathematics
My view isn't popular. However, I think people haven't searched their hearts and scripture enough to come to the same conclusion. I mean, Jesus said "He who seeks, shall find.".

True. Explain your UNIVERSALISM beliefs. I will read your reply later tonight.
 

Jason

Well-known member
True. Explain your UNIVERSALISM beliefs. I will read your reply later tonight.
People have eternity to find Christ - though some might have to go to hell to do it. It sounds like Hinduism of a sort - but I think that's what the Bible is truly teaching. Anyway, you don't want to go to hell to find Christ, hence the need for the gospel.
 

harpazo

Pure Mathematics
People have eternity to find Christ - though some might have to go to hell to do it. It sounds like Hinduism of a sort - but I think that's what the Bible is truly teaching. Anyway, you don't want to go to hell to find Christ, hence the need for the gospel.

Universalism is not in the Scriptures. It is heretical in terms of its teachings.
 
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