Life of Pleasure, Pain, or In-Between?

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Some - like Marine types - would value pain as ideal. They don't want a soft life. On the other hand, someone like the late Hugh Hefner would say pleasure is.

Anyway, the bad side of a soft life is the shallowness. For instance, people seem to actually be more happy suffering - if it's more something awesome (Example: Michelangelo painting the Sisteen Chapel)
 

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Life is a little bit of everything but easy it is not.
 
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Life is a little bit of everything but easy it is not.
I would have to say the same. However, more discomfort than pleasure is better out mental/physical health.

I mean, I know of sedentary people who sit around, smoke tobacco, watch TV, do drugs. That's all they do. They never exercise - when the human body was created for hard work.
 

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Live a life free of pain and misery IN CHRIST.
 

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I wasn't aware that Christians don't suffer.
Of course, I am talking about spiritual freedom and inner happiness in Christ.
 
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Of course, Christians suffer - but they have a special peace of mind - something unbelievers don't have.
 

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Christians carry a cross each day. Satan is not happy when someone decides to live for Christ.
 

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How does Thor feel about it?
 
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Thor? The cartoon hero?
 

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No, Thor the Norse god. How does he feel about people worshiping other gods?
 
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I feel the pagan Gods are easy. No real demands needed - except for the occasional volcano sacrifice! :eek:
 

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I bet magma is quite a bit more merciful than a cross. :)
 
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I bet magma is quite a bit more merciful than a cross. :)
The cross represents the ultimate sacrifice of God's love. He died on the cross in our place.
 

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According to the Bible, he sacrificed himself to himself to act as a loophole for a rule he created himself, when he could have just forgiven the sin he allowed to foul his creation. The whole story is morally reprehensible.
 
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According to the Bible, he sacrificed himself to himself to act as a loophole for a rule he created himself, when he could have just forgiven the sin he allowed to foul his creation. The whole story is morally reprehensible.
But he was sacrificing himself - not others. But then again, throwing the eternal hell stuff in there definitely leads to problems.
 

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The idea of the scapegoat, where one can throw the responsibility of ones crimes completely on another is morally bankrupt. The idea that one can be tortured forever for any reason is morally bankrupt. The idea that one can be punished for not believing something without good reason is morally bankrupt. To accept any of these things as coming from a benevolent god requires the sacrifice of one's humanity.
 

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The idea of the scapegoat, where one can throw the responsibility of ones crimes completely on another is morally bankrupt. The idea that one can be tortured forever for any reason is morally bankrupt. The idea that one can be punished for not believing something without good reason is morally bankrupt. To accept any of these things as coming from a benevolent god requires the sacrifice of one's humanity.
A little extreme for me, but I will accept that eternal hell is an abomination.
 

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What about being punished because you don't believe something without a good reason to do so? Is that ever in any way acceptable?